Friday, June 10, 2016

Can Choosing the Wrong Shoes Reduce Your Life Expectancy?

I just had dinner with a newly-diagnosed lymphoma patient who had suggested a clinical trial to his doctor. His Doc strongly advised against it.  Good job.

What is the sound of one hand waving?
Clinical trials are best used for people like me, who have already pretty much run the gamut of standard treatment, and whose cancers are resisting all "normal" treatments. My chances of surviving cancer as a guinea pig outweigh the alternative, which is Surviving Just By Maintaining a Happy, Bouncy Attitude 
(aka "Static Wave of Vertical Springing Movements In Emoji-like Manner").  
I think Queen Elizabeth, God bless her, brought 'static waves' to an art form. She was Emoji-happy years before internet.

Newbies are wise to have clinical trials on their radar, but trials are really more of a last resort, not a primary treatment option. . .the stuff that your doctor orders is worth a try, and might have a 90% response rate. Trials don't know the response rate until after you've taken the trial, yeah? Could be 2%.

I finally figured out HOW to choose a clinical trial.
(If you're really interested in how-to details you can link to my pdf about Searching for Clinical Trials).  But suffice it to say that I chose the trial drugs I wanted, then found the closest hospital that offered those drugs.

There are a few steps to be taken before you get into a clinical trial. I think the first part is they check your sanity and ability to communicate. Then you sign the papers, get the blood tests, have a CT scan or a biopsy or whatever to prove that you have a nice cancer going. . .THEN you get to start the trial.

Hmm. . .looks promising!
So. . . I drove 5 hours from northern Virginia to North Carolina, and paid money for the clinical trial doctor visit, and the blood draw, and signed all the papers. The 'Financial Care Counselor' told me that if my insurance doesn't cover it, no problem, they'll put me on a payment plan that I can afford even if the bills get well into the thousands.  Happy Happy Happy.

Then came the stalling. . . The clinical trials team is facing a possible glitch in insurance, and say I'm the first self-pay patient they've seen. They say that the sponsor of the trial (Bristol Myers) demands insurance coverage. Then a couple of days later, no, it's actually not Bristol Myers, but rather their own hospital, that is having issues with my "self-pay."

But aren't I only responsible for paying for standard-care cancer treatment, and the drug company will pay for any extra expenses for their clinical trial drugs and extra tests?  I asked.

Yes they said.

So I cannot receive standard-care cancer treatment if I pay for it personally, because I'm also involved in a clinical trial? I asked.

Hmm. . . I think it would be hard for this hospital to justify that one. And they're evading answering that question.

Standard-care treatment for a broken arm is to take an x-ray and put a cast on it.
Standard-care treatment for the flu is to take your temperature and send you home with fluids and tylenol.
Standard care for cancer is a bit more complex, but it's all still according to the book.
Standard-care treatment is something that I did as a "self-pay" when I went in for my initial evaluation and doctor exam.  I am officially a self-pay patient in good standing now.
It seems that this hospital has lots of those.
 
Just trying to get treatment here. . .
So should I now be eliminated from a clinical trail because I'm a self-pay patient?  Does the National Insititute of Health support that? I don't know, but I doubt it.

It's enough to make your head spin
Head's up. . . if you have medical treatment in the USA, and do not have insurance but pay cash, they usually drop the bill down 25 to 50%.   Insurance, at a few hundred dollars/month, also demands you pay a fee for every visit.  So. . . If you see a specialist for $500, and your insurance charges you $300/month and a $200 deductible (fee) for that visit, you've just paid $500 cash to see your specialist that was "covered by private insurance". Get it?. 
But if you were uninsured and get the cash discount, you may only have to pay $250 total.

I have bigger problems. . .
Now that we have Obamacare in the USA we get fined for not buying insurance ("How can that be legal?" we ask. "Do we also have to purchase tea from Boston again?")  But if you're actually going to doctors regularly, the Obama fine + deductible + insurance bill is usually still more expensive than just paying cash with the cash discount (and affordable payment plans. . .us poorer folk have no hope of holding money "out" for a 12% return anyway). 

The clinical trial underlings were ready to denied me entrance to the clinical trial due to payment methods. So I took it up a notch. Then they weren't sure, then no. Er, yes. No. Dunno?
The woman who manages incoming patient finances called me.  She was lovely, clever, and kind. But she let it slip. . ."you could pay in advance for the CT scans. . ."
Is it your hospital policy to have patients pay in advance for standard-care treatment?  Blank. Switch subject quickly.


This North Carolina hospital has no record of my income, assets, taxes, finances, credit score, or resources.

I think that I was initially denied entry into this clinical trial because the trials intake staff are guessing that I'm a little financially shabby, and they're not allowed to ask if I am or not.
The answer would be "not," but they don't know that because they're not allowed to ask, yeah?
Now their Supervisor is looking-into-it-without-calling-me-back-as-promised. 
We've all met those ladies, right?  

I asked her about the self-pay policies, and whether self-pay precluded me from participating in a clinical trial there. We were all at that polite-but-taking-notes stage.
"We can't tell you ANY of our hospital policies," she said. 
Any? I thought. Really? Even the Slippery Floor policy?  I thought. Or the Fire Alarm policy?
"I'm going to e-mail someone to ask about our policies," she said
"Who are you going to contact?" I asked.
"I don't know." she said
"You're going to email them but you don't know who they are?"
"I won't tell you who I'm e-mailing for advice because I don't want you to contact them."   
Scary!
And THAT was the supervisor of the clinical trials team.  Not quite the Hope-Giver.

My life expectancy expiration date is July 2017, but my husband accidentally leaked out today that it's sooner than that.
One month of bureaucracy is 8% of my entire life (before hubby comment).  
In this month, my CA-125 cancer blood count has jumped from 95 to 185. 
In the time it took them to Not Act, my cancer load doubled.

I don't need to like this chosen North Carolina hospital. But they have the clinical trial drugs that I want, and I feel strongly in favor of my choice in clinical trials drugs. 
My Virginia hospital is lovely, but they are running out of FDA approved options for me, (we're on to the lesser-prescribed chemo that gains a couple of months, or hormone therapy which does not hold my vote of confidence at this stage, at this time.)
And my hospital doesn't have any immunotherapy clinical trials to offer. Darn it.

It just happened that I came as an anomaly to a private hospital that seems to be flexible, as are their fluctuating financial and terminal-cancer-caregiving policies.
But perhaps not so flexible if they guess you're potentially shabby.

Perhaps if I had spent a little less time working with my family and a little more time ordering shoes on Zappos I could have seen this thing through with more credible authority? I would have had the RIGHT strappy sandals instead of just color-coordinated flip-flops, reeking of poverty.

Unfortunately, my advice to cancer girls is WEAR THE RIGHT SHOES.   It might matter. 




Since I wrote the above, my lovely patient advocate got the ball rolling. 
Then the RIGHT person in the financial office called me a few days ago.
"This should only have taken a few days!" she said. "They should have given it to me!"

I got the call today. I'm in.  
A chance to be Not Dead Yet for a little while longer! (OK, only a 10% chance that  I'll respond, but it sure beats Zero!)

I should start my clinical trial Next Week!
And it's so hot outside that I'm going to wear flop-flops anyway.

Whatever it takes to keep cool, I say!

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    1. Yeah, but the forums in which "the buck rules" are diminishing, have you noticed? Your generation of "antiestablishmentarianism" actually WORKED. Amazing, given what most of the your generation actually personally did, but now we have organic food. Thank you. And we don't worry so much about what we look like or how we work (did your generation help Bill Gates maintain confidence in his garage?)
      It DOES feel pretty squirrely to be evaluated for financial ability without anyone ever asking for your income. . .

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  2. You're going to email them but you don't know who they are? that is just soooo funny. well done for bashing down the door, and in flip flops too xxx

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    1. Thank you Laur for the Project Manager advice you gave me!
      You advised me to get a TIME and DAY that they will do as promised, or that we could discuss progress.

      I just slipped up: on Friday, North Carolina said they would schedule a CT scan for me for Tuesday at UVA, which is imperative if I am to start the trial next week.
      I forgot to ask when, on Friday, I could expect to learn my appointment time.
      It's Sunday, and NC has still not contacted UVA to schedule. In THIS neck of the woods (ooh! east coast American expression!), asking on Monday for an essential CT scan for Tuesday is cutting it awfully close. Answer could be no. And if I can't get a Tuesday CT scan, then I can't begin the clinical trial next week.
      Another week, another 25% in tumor growth.
      Wouldn't sound too scary for abdominal tumors except one of those tumors is PERCHED ON MY LIVER (ooh!) Time is of the essence here.

      I wish I had asked more advice from you on this stuff earlier. If the situation worsens, you're coming in as my "Personal Assistant" and it will be up to you.
      I sit here, wondering why people don't get it. But you're over there, knowing how to very politely get other people to "get it."
      And you could do it well on the phone so you could actually be wearing moisturizer-infused socks and still come off great. . .
      Love my sisters. . .

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  3. It's hard to conform to All About The Shoes when one is ladies' 13. :/ On this occasion, however, heels may have been warranted. Somebody might have benefitted from a swift kick.

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    1. Hear Hear!
      When you're due to die in a year, kicking is WAY out of bounds (although I consider giving my kids swift kicks in butts at most waking moments).
      Zappos can help get the size 13 up to snuff if budget allows. . . but cancer sucks money out of ANY household.
      Women's cancers need a supermodel or fashion giant to advocate and advertise funds for clothing for women with cancer who have changed bodies due to cancer.
      Anyone reading this blog can go ahead and get this started. . .

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    2. are you exactly size 13? i can pick you up some cozy birkenstocks.. they do posh girls flippies called Gizeh. they come in black or white...

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    3. oops just found cream and stone colour too in your size...

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    4. Love you, but I don't think "cozy Birkenstocks" are really going to fulfill my inner sex kitten.
      Posh flippies might be an option, could you check to see it they're on zappos?

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  4. Loving the edgy grey pixie cut. I saw an 18 year old girl who had the same do the other day. (Yes, grey is the new colour choice of teens these days). So glad you are in. Keep that advocate's phone number!

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    1. Thank you for appreciating that!
      It used to be that grey was a color that needed to be dyed-over to hide the grey.
      In my local area, grey hair is cool, it's the color that our friends all have, and loads of us have adamantly chosen NOT to dye our hair.
      Mainly, in my books (and some of the others', grey hair is EARNED.
      Before cancer, I had brown hair, with naturally-light highlights, and a few strands of grey that only I could see.
      After chemo #1, my stressed-out hair follicles could only produce white hair, and as they healed, more color showed so the roots became darker every month.
      After chemo #2, who knows. It all looks like a grey medley now. Follicles can only take so much. . .
      My advocate was lovely. When I was accepted for treatment, however, they never notified HER. At all. Jumping into a hospital where patient advocacy ranks second. . .

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  5. I assumed clinical trials were free. As Guinea pigs I thought it was a win-win so they can test drugs and we get free health care. That sucks to have to pay! I'm not at the point of signing up for any clinical trials as of yet. My sister lives by the Mayo Clinic in Jakcsonville and they are running a few clinical trials for ovarian cancer. Good to have options though.

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  6. Julie! They usually pay for anything above and beyond the norm. Including the drugs and extra scans or tests. Bristol Myers is popping for my gas to drive 5 hours each way, which is nice. Hopefully I can get hotel reimbursed also.
    The National Institutes of Health (NIH) in Maryland does it ALL at no charge, but they don't offer every clinical trial, just some of them.
    Clinical trial drugs are tested in lots of different locations so that the tests include wide (and fair) range of participants. My trial is NCT01928394 which is only offered in Tampa and Gainesville in Florida.
    If you DO look into clinical trials, keep in mind that most immunotherapy trials want immunotherapy "virgins" at this time. If you choose a wimpy immunotherapy trial and it doesn't work, you've just precluded yourself from getting the chance to try a different one. You get ONE SHOT.
    Wish me luck with mine!
    PS everyone, if you haven't read it yet, you really need to delve into Julie's blog at http://livingwithstage4ovariancancer.blogspot.com/

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